Chat January 23, 2008

[Candelaria] Hi Everyone! :-) The Mambo Lady should be here any second. ;-)

[heavenbls5] Hello
[Mambo Sam] Hello everyone! Good to see you all back for more. :-)
[heavenbls5] hello
[Mambo Sam] So tonight I wanted to continue our discussion for our
upcoming ritual with the three Simbis.Since we only have this week and
next week to get the ritual down before doing it, I am going to talk about
the two remaining Simbis tonight: Simbi Dlo and Simbi Makaya. I realize
that many of you may already be somewhat well versed in Simibi Makaya.

[Mambo Sam] But there is sometimes not so much written about Simbi Dlo, or
he gets lumped in with all the other Simbis. So, he is Simbi of the Water.
One thing that is really interesting about him is that he is often very
shy and withdrawn, especially at larger Vodou gatherings such as large
dances at peristyles, etc. Sometimes a person can be possessed by him and
ends up standing outside of the peristyle until someone figure out that
there is a possession going on!
[Mambo Sam] But he has some extraordinary talents that we are going to
use, well, ask him to use in doing our ritual. One of the powers that he
has is to silence someone. :-) He is very quiet himself and so he is said
to have the power for silencing someone. This is something extremely
useful to us because “to silence” is often a goal in spell work. We might
be trying to “silence” an intruder. We might even be trying to “silence”
our HD! For instance, if the HD is saying things that you don’t like,
“silencing” him/her from saying those things could be very helpful to your
spell work. So using Simbi Dlo’s powers to help in silencing someone could
be extremely useful. So in using Simbi Dlo’s power of the ability to
silence someone, we are actually kind of doing a “boca tapa” type of spell
— this is a spell that is very prominent in Santeria and some other
Latin/Hispanic magickal practices. So there are a number of ways that you
will be able to think of, I am sure, for petitioning Simbi Dlo. :-)

[Mambo Sam] By the way, by the time we have class next week, you will have
had time to think about what you want to accomplish in your ritual. I will
leave next week open for asking questions on how you can word your
petitions, or any other questions you have of how to put this all
together. :-)
[Mambo Sam] So, our dear shy Simbi Dlo is really a great ally to us all
for this ritual. I am pretty sure that almost all of us can think of
someone we want to silence! And that isn’t a bad thing!! Think about this:
If someone is being negative in your life, shutting them up is not a bad
thing for either of you. Because, of course, when you “silence” the
negative, you will also petition for that to be replaced with positive.
:-) So, yes, you can pick and choose, what part of dialogue with someone
you want to silence.

[Mambo Sam] So, the basics: Simbi Dlo is served with white. There is also
sometimes service to him with silver and even light blue. But in most
traditional circles, it is white. His offerings are fresh water,
cucumbers, and white creams — like sour cream and whipped cream, even milk
— though I didn’t find that he was really thrilled with milk the last time
I did a service to him! :-D Maybe it was because the time before I had
given him a bowl of whipping cream. I didn’t whip it, just poured it out
into the bowl. He was probably thinking, “I want my whipping cream, to
heck with this milk!”

[Mambo Sam] Hang on one second, I want to paste in a song for him.

Gwo Lwa, gwo pwen-m, Simbi nan Dlo (x3),
Djab la rete bo rivaj l’ape gade, Simbi sa ou we, pinga ou pale.

(Big Lwa, my big point, Simbi in Water,
the “djab” (sometimes interpreted as evil spirit, but more as a paid Lwa —
Lwa achte’ sent to do a job, very often misinterpreted as “the devil.”)
stays besides the shores, he is watching. Simbi what you see, you don’t
speak).

[Mambo Sam] When we do this ritual, we will sing a song for each of the
Simbi’s. Like I was mentioning last week, it is not so important that you
know the tune of the song. Putting it into a “chant” form is fine, or even
make up your own tune, or fit it to a tune of another song. The reason
these songs are important, and it is important to sing them as much as
possible in the Kreyol in which they are written is because they are
familiar to the Lwa! The recognize these songs and, thus, recognize YOU!
[Mambo Sam] You are a friend.
[Mambo Sam] You are family.
[Mambo Sam] You know their songs!
[Mambo Sam] These songs are not new, these songs have been sung, I would
venture to say, millions of times to these Lwa. It is a sure way to get
their attention. ;-)

[Mambo Sam] Before I go on to talk about the song, questions anyone?
[luke39] ?
[schweety] ?
[Mambo Sam] Luke, then Schweety.
[luke39] can Simbi Dlo be used to silence addictions of any kind?
[heavenbls5] ?
[Mambo Sam] I certainly could see the usefulness of a portion of that. For
many people, a particular addiction involves a group setting — friends of
the same addiction.... “silencing” the group could certainly be useful.
[Mambo Sam] Does that make sense?
[luke39] yep, so it is more about people than a particular habit
[Mambo Sam] I can also see where one might be able to “silence” the
dialogue that goes on with one’s self regarding an addiction. It might be
tricky, but I think it would be worth a try.
[luke39] k

[schweety] what if you screw up the pronunciation?
[Mambo Sam] Schweety, with pronunciation, just do the best you can. These
songs are sung all over the world by many people with different accents,
etc.
[schweety] k ty  :-D I’m sure the Lwa sometimes go what was that ???  :-)

[REDANGEL] ??
[the3rdwish13] ??
[Mambo Sam] Heavenbls, Redangel, Thirdwish
[simonegreenewpp] ??
[heavenbls5] I was here last week, but I was unable to write the song down
for Simbi Andezo.
[Mambo Sam] Heavenbls — that song will be in the transcripts, no worries. :-)

[Mambo Sam] then Simone.
[Mambo Sam] If I missed you, just let me know.
[Mambo Sam] (And please wait to be called on, thank you all!)
[the3rdwish13] Can I ask him to help ME be silent?
[Mambo Sam] :-D — yep. Just be sure you know what it is and ask
appropriately.
[the3rdwish13] That’s what I need :-P

[Mambo Sam] Redangel... did I get you?
[REDANGEL] Sorry I was a little ahead of myself;)
[Mambo Sam] That’s okay, but did I answer your question?
[Mambo Sam] Oh, you didn’t have one?
[REDANGEL] I don’t have one ready just yet
[Mambo Sam] :-D Gotcha!

[Mambo Sam] Okay, Simone?
[simonegreenewpp] Regarding addiction, sometimes it’s a reaction to
negative feelings of self-worth, so could Simbi Dlo silence those negative
inner voices?
[mamakate] ?
[Mambo Sam] Certainly worth a try — though honestly it would be better if
the addicted person was trying that for themselves. But I think an
outsider could certainly give it a shot! It never hurts to try any kind of
healing like that. Especially with addictions, they are very hard to get
to respond to healing, but that doesn’t stop us from trying. :-)
[simonegreenewpp] Thank you!
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome!

[Mambo Sam] Mamakate?
[mamakate] I wasn’t here last week, are the latest transcripts in the new
forum?
[Mambo Sam] No, I will e-mail everyone who is registered for chat when
they are ready.
[mamakate] Terrific, thank you!
[Mambo Sam] And we will go over it as a whole next week because once it is
all together and we are trying to figure out what you are going to be
doing with it, I think we will need some q&a time!

[Mambo Sam] Okay, did I miss anyone out there? Please let me know.
[Mambo Sam] Okay, so back to the song. I am going to paste it back in, in
case it has rolled off of anyone’s screen by now.

Gwo Lwa, gwo pwen-m, Simbi nan Dlo (x3),
Djab la rete bo rivaj l’ape gade, Simbi sa ou we, pinga ou pale.

(Big Lwa, my big point, Simbi in Water,
the “djab” (sometimes interpreted as evil spirit, but more as a paid Lwa —
Lwa achte’ sent to do a job, very often misinterpreted as “the devil.”)
stays besides the shores, he is watching. Simbi what you see, you don’t
speak).

[Mambo Sam] So, basically, we are singing for Simbi Dlo to come to our
ritual. We will have set up altar space for him. We will have his
offerings. Now we want him! This song refers to his “powers” by saying
“what you see, you don’t speak.”
[Mambo Sam] Sometimes it is difficult to interpret the Kreyol songs
because they are sort of in riddles and have veiled meanings. A lot of the
songs have a deeper, more intricate meaning to those who have kanzo’d
(become initiates) because the words are actually sometimes substituted
for the actual word that is meant. If you know what one word means, then
you tell someone, they are supposed to tell you what the other word means
— then you know they are kanzo. :-)
[Mambo Sam] So here in this song, just briefly, we are referring to Simbi
Dlo’s “point” (pwen — a lot of you know that word) — his point in magick.
What he is known for.
[Mambo Sam] The key then is in the last line.
[Mambo Sam] This song is fairly straight forward — some of them so veiled
that you have to pick them apart to figure out what the heck they are
talking about for real! So, what is important for you to know about this
is that this is the song to call him and it also tells you something about
him. :-)

[Mambo Sam] So any questions about the song?
[Mambo Sam] No?
[mamakate] ?
[simonegreenewpp] What does it mean? :-)
[ouanga_bottle] I admit it’s confusing... :-)
[Mambo Sam] Go ahead Mamakate.
[mamakate] Can we sing the English words or should it be in Creole?
[Mambo Sam] You two can put your hands up! LOL.
[Mambo Sam] Sing it in Kreyol.
[mamakate] Ok, I’ll give it a try! :-D
[Mambo Sam] If you know any French, the pronunciation is somewhat the
same. Also, there are actually a few Kreyol teaching sites online now that
will give you some pronunciation guides.
[mamakate] wonderful, thank you for that!

[Mambo Sam] So Simone.... ouanga.... where are your hands?
[ouanga_bottle] (snort)
[Mambo Sam] ;-)
[ouanga_bottle] question
[Mambo Sam] Yes, ouanga. And simone, too! ;-)
[ouanga_bottle] I really want to better understand that last line? “What
you see, you don’t speak”
[Mambo Sam] Okay, it is the line that actually is encoded to tell you what
his powers are.
[ouanga_bottle] I don’t mean to be obtuse...
[Mambo Sam] Now of course, we are trying to translate Kreyol into English
and sometimes it doesn’t quite get into English as well as one would like.
On the surface, it means he can keep a secret.
[ouanga_bottle] So are we talking about seeing with his mind or other gifts?
[Mambo Sam] No matter what he sees, he won’t tell. What he sees, he won’t
tell. He will not talk about what he has seen.
[simonegreenewpp] ??
[waitingforastar] ?
[ouanga_bottle] So his powers are that he can keep a secret?
[Mambo Sam] No.
[Candelaria] May I?
[ouanga_bottle] heh heh
[Mambo Sam] His powers are that he can silence people.
[ouanga_bottle] Gotcha. Man I’m slow!
[Mambo Sam] Are you drinking again? :-D
[ouanga_bottle] haaaaaaaaaaa :-D
[Candelaria] Well, Sweetie... we weren’t going to say anything...
[ouanga_bottle] Champagne!
[Candelaria] heehee
[ouanga_bottle] Thank you dears
[Mambo Sam] Okay, Simone, Candi, then waitingforastar
[ouanga_bottle] Long day at work.... :-)
[Mambo Sam] It’s okay.

[simonegreenewpp] Something I’ve wondered about various songs —
[Mambo Sam] Sure, go ahead.
[simonegreenewpp] There might be a line that clicks with me, I might “get”
a meaning... But it might not be the “right” or official meaning.
[Mambo Sam] Oh but it might be! :-)
[simonegreenewpp] Is that something they are meant to do, be a bit vague
so our personal knowledge or experience fits in?
[Mambo Sam] Honestly, these songs have so many meanings layered into them
that just figuring out totally what one song means can take quite awhile
and then you may not have it all! LOL. But honestly to answer your
questions it is my belief that these songs have evolved to encompass many
things, especially that which you are talking about. A meaning to you
might not be a meaning to me, but that doesn’t make it less valid. In some
songs, there are some things that are “academic” in their correctness.
[Mambo Sam] For instance, in the song about LaSiren, where there is a line
“my hat fell into the sea” — this is “academically” known to be a phrase
concerning being possessed by the Lwa. So, uh, the answer to your question
was yes!
[simonegreenewpp] My original “what does it mean” was being a bit silly.
Then again, sometimes a banana is just a banana...
[Mambo Sam] :-D  Right.
[Mambo Sam] I mean there is a song “Legba is standing at the gate.”  Well
guess what that means.
[Mambo Sam] Yep — Legba is standing at the gate.
[simonegreenewpp] A banana? :-D
[Mambo Sam] So yes, sometimes it is very obvious. LOL, right.

[Mambo Sam] Okay, waitingforastar, go ahead, please.
[waitingforastar] Does it mean he wont tell what he sees in the situation,
or wont tell what he sees us do? Or Who will he keep silent?
[Mambo Sam] I know you were a little bit late, but what were talking about
earlier is that Simbi Dlo is often petitioned for silencing people —
silencing negativity, etc. The “won’t tell what he sees” is more or less
symbolic and the real meaning is encoded in that line. I mean really, who
would he actually tell? :-)
[waitingforastar] Oh I see, how about silence their negative influence
over someone?
[Mambo Sam] Yes, and we will discuss that next week when we take questions
on exactly how we will each configure our ritual. :-)
[waitingforastar] Ok, thanks:}

[Mambo Sam] Anyone else?
[REDANGEL] ??
[simonegreenewpp] ??
[vodoukat02] ?
[Mambo Sam] Yes Redangel, then Simone, then Vodoukat Assuming Redangel has
a real question this time! :-D
[REDANGEL] When we do call upon Dlo do we make it specific or can it be
general like silence all negative from all sources or just concentrate on
one? Does that make sense?
[Mambo Sam] Yes, and that is going to depend greatly on what you are
trying to accomplish with the ritual as a whole. I think you will see what
I mean when I explain a bit more about working with them as a trio.
Mostly, however, we want to be specific.
[REDANGEL] K thanks, :-P
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Mambo Sam] Simone?
[simonegreenewpp] Would a literal meaning be silencing a gossip?
[Mambo Sam] Literal and ritualistically — absolutely.
[simonegreenewpp] Ok, thank you!
[Mambo Sam] Silencing the intruder — that they no longer say “I love you”
to your HD. The list goes on and on. :-)

[Mambo Sam] Vodoukat?
[vodoukat02] can you ask to silence more than one person?
[Mambo Sam] Yes.
[vodoukat02] Thank you
[Mambo Sam] Once you configure the ritual, you can pick and choose which
parts of your case, or life than you want to address.

[Mambo Sam] You all will actually have a little bit more leeway to add
more things than you might normally because you will be petitioning three
powerful Lwa at the same time. Even though you could run the risk of
spreading things too thin (and we will talk about that), you can ask for
more than perhaps one normally would at once.

[Mambo Sam] Okay, so shall we move on to Simbi Makaya?
[creaturefever] ?
[Mambo Sam] Oops, go ahead Creaturefever
[smile4me] ?
[Mambo Sam] And then Smile4me. Are you out there Creaturefever?
[creaturefever] Is the silence something that will cease emotionally as
well or will the person shut the trap... but build up the negativity
within?
[Mambo Sam] This kind of “silence” is very deep. And this is a good
question, thank you.... think of the submersion in total encompassment,
like being under water. It is that kind of silence and goes to the core of
a person. Does that make sense?
[ouanga_bottle] ?
[vodoukat02] ?
[schweety] ?
[creaturefever] Yes and thanks
[Mambo Sam] Okay, good!

[Mambo Sam] Smile4me, Ouanga, Vodoukat, Schweety
[smile4me] Can this silence the actual negative thoughts that may be had
by hd so that they will no longer be an issue?
[Mambo Sam] You can certainly ask! It depends, too, on what those negative
thoughts are related to, but remember, we will also be pulling the power
of the other two Lwa to make a whole package and some of those issues may
be addressed in total. So, a lot depends on what each individual is trying
to accomplish as well as the individual upon whom they are working.
[Mambo Sam] It is not so much a “one size fits all” type of thing, but
there are some basic parameters we will be working with. Make sense?
[smile4me] That gives me an idea... yes it does
[Mambo Sam] Good!

[Mambo Sam] Snort, er Ouanga — go ahead.
[ouanga_bottle] Ha aaaaa.... You kind of touched on this earlier, but
could we call on him to silence negative thoughts/feelings of self-doubt
and depression in one person, and anger in another person, and silencing
gossip in another? (running the risk of spreading the request too thin...)
[Mambo Sam] Right, BUT like I said, under normal circumstances, for
instance, say one white image candle you wouldn’t do all that. But this is
a pretty big ritual. :-)
[ouanga_bottle] :-)
[Mambo Sam] And something most people can’t do every day like a nice
candle magick kit. :-)
[ouanga_bottle] hee hee
[Mambo Sam] So it is a “gimme” time ritual, honestly.
[ouanga_bottle] It won’t confuse them to give them a list of requests?
[Mambo Sam] I kind of like to limit things like to three or four requests
— even in a big ritual. I mean three or four of one kind of request — for
instance, say you need four people to be silenced. Then that would be
fine. And then you could move on to the other parts of the ritual.
[ouanga_bottle] Gotcha, makes total sense!
[Mambo Sam] But if you have 20 people to be silenced, it is a bit much.
[ouanga_bottle] Yeah, I’d say you might need to do a few services if
you’re in that much trouble! :-D
[Mambo Sam] :-D Right.  Good?
[ouanga_bottle] good!!!
[Mambo Sam] Right on.

[Mambo Sam] Vodoukat?
[vodoukat02] Can you ask to silence all intruders or potential intruders
like other women wanting to be with your HD and vice versa for the HD?
[creaturefever] ?
[Mambo Sam] I can’t see that being effective. Not in this — remember, this
is a bit different in with whom we are working. Simbi Dlo is very direct.
He is gonna need names and numbers for the most part. ;-)
[vodoukat02] Oh, ok. I get it.... thank you
[Mambo Sam] BUT, you could ask that he silence your HD’s talking to other
women. :-D  I could see that for sure. Because you are naming the HD.
[vodoukat02] cool....... thank you Mambo
[Mambo Sam] You can’t name women you don’t know — like stopping them from
talking to him.
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Mambo Sam] Schweety, Then creaturefever
[schweety] You can request for the person to be silenced but does free
will play a part in the person’s response?
[Mambo Sam] Free Will always plays a part in any magick that I will teach
you. However...
[Mambo Sam] In this kind of petitioning you are opening the idea up of
turning someone’s attention away from something.
[ouanga_bottle] ?
[Mambo Sam] I will explain a bit more about that when we set up the whole
ritual.
[schweety] k  ty
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Sunshine] ?
[creaturefever] Can you utilize this silence to lets say cause distance in
a group of people? Example a clique of not so nice folks whom have power
as a group and cause a distance between them and weaken them.
[Mambo Sam] Hmmmm... seems a little bit vague for Simbi Dlo.
[Mambo Sam] But if you know them all, you could definitely name them.
[Mambo Sam] :-)
[creaturefever] k

[Mambo Sam] Ouanga, then Sunshine
[ouanga_bottle] What about a petition to silence fears, resistance to
being with us, etc.? Would that make sense to phrase a petition for him
that way? What about asking to silence the negative messages of her
church? (snort)
[Mambo Sam] :-D  That is a big petition. Really, this petitioning to Simbi
Dlo is more direct.
[ouanga_bottle] Yeah, I see it wasn’t so effective when I tried to
petition the very first LMWA way back when
[simonegreenewpp] ?
[Mambo Sam] Right.
[ouanga_bottle] But silencing fear maybe?
[Mambo Sam] That is a big one.

[Mambo Sam] Sunshine, then Simone.... If I missed anyone let me know, please.
[Sunshine] You stated Simbi needed names — what if you are trying to
silence an Intruder and this is the only person? How do you handle this if
you have no name?
[Mambo Sam] You can get around that by naming the HD — that will give
Simbi a focal point, and then naming the “woman who is
around_______________” or “living with______________.” I mean if you know
an actual person exists, then you can do it that way.
[creaturefever] ?
[Sunshine] Oh I see— Thank you— unfortunately the Intruder Does Exist.
[Mambo Sam] Then you can use the petition in that way.
[Sunshine] Ok— thanks again
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Mambo Sam] Simone, then Creaturefever
[mamakate] ?
[Mambo Sam] Simone, Creaturefever, then Mamakate
[Mambo Sam] Go ahead, Simone, please.
[simonegreenewpp] Ok, so a large group, such as “the congregation of the

church” or “the boys at the pub” is not a good option, but maybe there is
a different petition (another Simbi) to keep the HD from listening to
them?
[ouanga_bottle] Very crafty!
[simonegreenewpp] Seems like a few of us have influential groups.
[vodoukat02] :-D
[Mambo Sam] But Simbi is not really for keeping the HD from listening. :-)
It is for keeping there from being anything for him to listen to. ;-)
[simonegreenewpp] I’m just thinking Simbi Dlo might not be the one for
that, but one of the other Simbis.
[Mambo Sam] That is a totally different petition, however, when we get to
the ritual as a whole, ask me again, okay?
[simonegreenewpp] Yes, thank you!
[Mambo Sam] ;-)

[Mambo Sam] Creaturefever then mamakate
[creaturefever] So, are we just silencing a person — messenger... or the
message itself, regardless of the source... or both. Stop the gossip or
the gossiper... make sense?
[DestinyB] ??
[Mambo Sam] Yes, it does make sense. It is better if you know who you are
trying to silence. I am not saying it is impossible for any of these
things, but to make the ritual as efficacious as possible we need to work
within some parameters.
[creaturefever] Yes I would know whom and what.
[Mambo Sam] Then yes, for sure. :-)
[creaturefever] :-D
[Mambo Sam] Good?
[creaturefever] thx

[Mambo Sam] Mamakate, then DestinyB.
[mamakate] Can you petition to silence fears or feelings of inadequacy
within yourself?
[Mambo Sam] It is a bit of a slippery slope there, BUT, if you have a
Vodou friend, and I bet you can find one here on this forum if you don’t.
I could certainly see doing that kind of petitioning for each other. :-)
[Mambo Sam] You know, sometimes working on yourself is hands down the most
difficult work you will do. But if you have help from someone else, and
you help them, too, that can work out pretty well.
[mamakate] Okay, thank you
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Mambo Sam] DestinyB
[DestinyB] I just got here and missed a lot and my family is around me,
will there be a transcript before the ritual?
[Mambo Sam] Yes. :-)
[DestinyB] Thank you. :-)
[ouanga_bottle] ?
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.
[DestinyB] I changed to DestinyB because of the forum, you know who I am
still?
[Mambo Sam] Yes, I do, Destiny. ;-)
[DestinyB] :-)
[ouanga_bottle] I know who you are too sweetie :-)
[DestinyB] Aww. :-)

[Mambo Sam] Ouanga?
[ouanga_bottle] Have we picked a date for the ritual yet?
[Mambo Sam] Yes — the day after Mardi Gras — February 6.
[ouanga_bottle] Oh wait I think I remember
[Mambo Sam] It will be a Wednesday.
[ouanga_bottle] Thanks!
[Mambo Sam] :-)

[creaturefever] Really weird ?
[Mambo Sam] Go ahead, Creaturefever.
[creaturefever] Is this for humans only or could I ask for my dog to tone
it down a bit... really I am not making a joke. Kinda be a more silent
pup.
[Mambo Sam] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... sorry, I know you are not making a joke
but it is funny. That is so cute.
[vodoukat02] ?
[creaturefever] He would be cuter at a lower volume
[Mambo Sam] You know, it is better to petition Papa Legba for the puppy! :-)
[creaturefever] Thanks
[Mambo Sam] I know what you mean, though, my dog has a huge bark!

[Mambo Sam] Vodoukat, go ahead.
[vodoukat02] What about my oldest daughter with her smart mouth?
[Mambo Sam] It depends on what you want to do with the ritual. You could
do a small service to him and ask him to shut her up.  :-)
[Mambo Sam] I mean a separate service.
[vodoukat02] :-D  She is 12 going on 20
[vodoukat02] Thank you Mambo
[Mambo Sam] You are welcome.

[Mambo Sam] Okay guys, we need to move on, if that is okay. We can take
individual petitions and questions next week. We have got to get to Simbi
Makaya.
[Mambo Sam] Okay, so this is going to have to be fast.... The third Lwa
will be Simbi Makaya. He is the “powerful magician” of the group. He
brings strength, power, and, literally brute force to the ritual.

[Mambo Sam] So for a minute, let’s see what we have now:
Simbi Andezo — the strategist
Simbi Dlo, the silencer, and
Simbi Makaya, the brute force.

[Mambo Sam] Of course, that is a bit simplistic, but I think you should be
getting the idea that we have three distinct Lwa who know how to work
together and each have very different talents. So what is really important
if you are going to participate in this ritual is between now and next
week to figure out what it is you want to try to accomplish with your
ritual and then who could do what. But back to that in a moment.
[Mambo Sam] Anyway, so the basics — Simbi Makaya is served with red and
green (in New Orleans Voodoo — now sometimes you see red and black... but
red is a good bet!).
[Mambo Sam] Cigars and whiskey. :-)
[Mambo Sam] I find him to be a real beef eater... I give him raw hamburger
with loads of pepper on it.
[ouanga_bottle] mmmm mmmmm
[Mambo Sam] Honestly, he just loves it. And it is an easy offering!
[Mambo Sam] Okay, let me go get his song — I might have to paste it in two
parts....

Lwa Simbi Makaya! Dogwe! Map lage pwen a nan men ti moun yo.
Lwa Simbi Makaya! Dogwe! Map lage pwen a nan men ti moun yo.
Si gen lavi map peye Houngan, Si pa gen lavi mwen konnen m pa dwe.
Lwa Simbi Makaya! Dogwe! Map lage pwen a nan men ti moun yo.

The Lwa Simbi Makaya! Kiss the ground! I let go the “pwen” (power point)
into the hands of the children (Note: “You” are the children — the
group.”)
The Lwa Simbi Makaya! Kiss the ground! I let go the “pwen” into the hands
of the children.
If there is life I will pay the Houngan, If there is no life, I know I
don’t owe. (Note: Basically, “if I do well after this, I will pay the
Houngan, if I do poorly, I will not pay the Houngan.”)
The Lwa Simbi Makaya! Kiss the ground! I let go the “pwen” into the hands
of the children.

[Mambo Sam] Oh, I think we mentioned it last week, he also is represented
by or offered a whip.
[Mambo Sam] So, Simbi Makaya is a BIG Lwa. He is gruff and blustery. He is
very masculine. When you call him and serve him, he puts the “power” in
the hands of the children.
[Mambo Sam] You are the children. He expects you to kiss the ground in
front of him.
[Mambo Sam] So in some circles his song is interpreted to mean that
whatever you do with the power is your problem — that whole “pay the
Houngan” part... it doesn’t mean exactly paying the Houngan in money. The
sort of “veiled” meaning is that if you use the power and you misuse it
and get some sort of weird result — don’t come running to him.
[Mambo Sam] There are some other songs that are misinterpreted as Simbi
Makaya saying that he doesn’t care what happens to those who serve him.
But the members of his society, the Sanpwel could certainly tell you
differently.
[Mambo Sam] What he expects is that you will use his power wisely. Don’t,
and he isn’t going to help you out of it. And then you will learn a
valuable lesson.
[Mambo Sam] But you guys have me to help you. And that is the other part
of the song that is sort of veiled in meaning — for the most part, you
should not work with Simbi Makaya without supervision unless you are an
initiate, OR you are following, to the letter, the instructions of an
initiate.
[Mambo Sam] A Houngan or a Mambo. A priest or priestess of the New Orleans
tradition. Or a Santera or Santero — someone of serious initiatory status.

[eveningstarmystic] ?
[Mambo Sam] Yes, Eveningstarmystic.
[eveningstarmystic] This sounds a little scary
[Mambo Sam] Why?
[eveningstarmystic] Messing something up and consequences of Simbi
[Mambo Sam] Simbi isn’t going to do anything to you. That is not what I said.
[Sunshine] ?
[Mambo Sam] That is why you have me here, to give you instructions to
follow. ;-)
[ouanga_bottle] ?
[Mambo Sam] Does that make sense, eveningstar? I don’t want you guys to be
afraid, I want you to be smart! :-)
[eveningstarmystic] okay
[Mambo Sam] What Simbi says is that if you use his power foolishly, then
he isn’t going to bail you out!
[PATRICKinCALI] ?
[DestinyB] ??
[eveningstarmystic] oh, foolishly... okay
[Mambo Sam] But he certainly isn’t going to hurt you.  :-)
[eveningstarmystic] I was worried if I messed up I wouldn’t have help to
make things straight.
[Candelaria] Sweetie, Mambo would never leave you hanging. I promise.
[Mambo Sam] Ouanga, Patrick, Destiny (you will always have me to help you
out — that’s the whole thing in that song — it is telling you to be under
the care of a Houngan or Mambo :-)

[ouanga_bottle] I think it’s sunshine’s turn...
[Mambo Sam] Thank you — sunshine... then the others.
[Sunshine] If we have an extremely stubborn, cold or callous H/D and have
been working on them a long, long time and getting nowhere and we would
like to melt them down (or break their stubborn, cold cycle) it is still
not wise to do a ritual to Simbi Makaya because of his power and his
strength?
[Mambo Sam] That’s okay — I am not sure I am quite understanding your
question, honey. But for stubborn old coots, I would say Simibi Makaya is
just the ticket! :-D
[Mambo Sam] You see that song up there — Simbi Makaya is going to give YOU
his power and strength.
[Sunshine] Sounded like the remedy for my situation—
[vodoukat02] Yes!!!!
[Mambo Sam] All he asks is that you use it wisely. ;-)
[Mambo Sam] Did that answer your question, Sunshine?
[Mambo Sam] I will take that as a yes. ;-)
[Sunshine] Yes, but got the impression that it was more for the initiates
than someone like me, even tho my situation has been long — ongoing — and
I am so perplexed — He sounded like the answer for me.
[Mambo Sam] This ritual is not for initiates. Initiates wouldn’t need to
be here and learn this. ;-)
[Sunshine] Ok— Gotcha. thanks
[Mambo Sam] They already know this. I mean, not that they
couldn’t/wouldn’t do it! :-D I mean they don’t need to be here to learn
it.  This is for you guys.

[Mambo Sam] Before we go on, I just need to tell you something as group.
[Mambo Sam] First, I love you.
[ouanga_bottle] awwwww
[Mambo Sam] I would never send you down a path of something that would
harm you.
[heavenbls5] we love you too
[Sunshine] We know that and love you for it.
[Mambo Sam] Don’t fold up and get afraid when we start talking about
something powerful. :-)
[Mambo Sam] This is what it is all about! :-)
[heavenbls5] Oh I won’t I am just excited
[vodoukat02] me too
[Mambo Sam] Believe me, I will be there to guide you every single step of
the way!
[waitingforastar] love you back:)
[Mambo Sam] :-)
[simonegreenewpp] Feeling kinda... empowered!
[Mambo Sam] YAY!
[vodoukat02] we love you too Mambo
[ouanga_bottle] xo xo xo
[Mambo Sam] Thank you all so much. :-)
[Candelaria] Seriously folks. I’ve known her longer than most and she
would never hurt a hair on your heads.
[vodoukat02] You should know that I fully trust you by now as long as I
have been with you
[creaturefever] :-)
[Mambo Sam] Empowered! Yes, that is what we are looking for.
[Mambo Sam] Oh for sure, I just know that sometimes some of the folks get
afraid and it is just part of the learning experience. :-)
[Mambo Sam] But I don’t want anyone to be so afraid that it stops them
from doing the ritual.
[Candelaria] Hey, if she was going to hurt you, Sister Candi would send up
a flare or something! :-D
[eveningstarmystic] And in my situation I am feeling less empowered
[Mambo Sam] Fear and that adrenaline rush is good. As long as it doesn’t
turn into something that blocks you.
[Mambo Sam] Okay, so thank you all very, very much.
[Mambo Sam] Just remember, THIS is what I am here for.
[vodoukat02] I know the feeling of fear and believe me everyone, I have
been with Mambo for a long time

[Mambo Sam] So, now we have an idea of our team of Lwa. And we have an
idea of what they are good at. :-)
[simonegreenewpp] comment...
[Mambo Sam] For real!
[vodoukat02] sorry
[ouanga_bottle] (I still have a question...) :-)
[Mambo Sam] It’s okay.
[Mambo Sam] I know, I am sorry.... Where did we leave off on the list?
Ouanga?
[ouanga_bottle] me me! :-) :-)
[Mambo Sam] :-D
[ouanga_bottle] I did the Makayan service last year when HD was nearly
strangled to death by her psycho ex boyfriend... would it be appropriate
to bring out the spoon/fork/knife thingy during this service? It was used
then for a specific purpose, but I have incorporated it on my altar and
hold it for broader justice-type requests... so I’m just wondering if it’s
appropriate, since I’ve incorporated it more broadly on my altar.
[ouanga_bottle] Also... when I did that service, I wasn’t asking for power
for myself (I didn’t know the psycho), I was asking for justice to be done
to psycho. (and it was).
[Mambo Sam] Yes, you can. Use it.
[ouanga_bottle] awesome!
[smile4me] ?
[Mambo Sam] Hang on — did I miss anyone before Simone and Smile4me — the
list rolled off my screen.
[waitingforastar] :-D
[vodoukat02] :-D

[PATRICKinCALI] Do Andezo, Dlo & Makaya have Saint likenesses? (typical
Catholic Patrick question) :-)
[Mambo Sam] For our purposes, we use the Three Kings picture — the three
wise men. :-)
[PATRICKinCALI] Gotcha!
[Mambo Sam] Remember, this is the wrap up to our holiday petitions/prayers.

[Mambo Sam] Okay any one else I missed before Simone and Smile
[DestinyB] I think you cleared this up about things not going wrong if we
make a mistake: none of this can have a weird or adverse affect on HD in
any way if we do it with good intentions and not for harm? As long as
intentions are good?
[Mambo Sam] Right.
[DestinyB] Cool thanks! I tend to flub things up a lot
[Mambo Sam] Honest mistakes don’t count as doing something wrong. Ever.
[Mambo Sam] Anyone else in the missed list? :-) From any part of tonight?
[DestinyB] Cool, thank you, I need to remember to not get drunk during a
ritual except for Fet Ghede. :-)
[Mambo Sam] :-D  That was pretty funny.
[Mambo Sam] Anyway....
[vodoukat02] comment
[DestinyB] :-D

[Mambo Sam] Simone, then Smile4u then Vodoukat.... I think..
[simonegreenewpp] I was just going to say, so much of this fits my
situation that I think it’s very nice of Mambo Sam to plan it all just for
me. :-) I hope it works for other people, too. :-D I keep getting ideas of
how to petition and how it can work really well on my HD.
[Mambo Sam] :-D — it’s all about you, baby!
[simonegreenewpp] Yay me!
[Mambo Sam] Hahahahahaha.  :-)

[Mambo Sam] Smile4u?
[smile4me] For next session do we just need to have our list of requests
ready? Do we need anything specific to be prepared?
[Mambo Sam] For the next session, I definitely would like you all to have
an idea at least of what you want to accomplish. Then we will talk a
little bit more about how that can happen. I mean it is up to you how much
you want to share with the group. We can make sure that part never makes
it to the transcripts.
[simonegreenewpp] Yep!
[Mambo Sam] So I would like you to know what you want, and an idea of how
you might work with each of the three Simbis to accomplish that.
[Sunshine] That would be great and we do appreciate.
[Mambo Sam] Sort of a game plan.
[Mambo Sam] And we can go over some of them — probably a lot of group
questions will get answered. :-)

[Mambo Sam] Vodoukat
[vodoukat02] Right after I finished the ouanga bottle, my HD called me;
Candelaria is my witness;)
[Mambo Sam] :-)
[Candelaria] I swear, in a court of law!  :-D
[vodoukat02] :-D
[Mambo Sam] Was that a court of Lwa or law?
[ouanga_bottle] :-D
[Candelaria] BOTH   heehee Court of Lwa being much more powerful!
[Mambo Sam] That is awesome!
[vodoukat02] that’s what Candelaria said

[Mambo Sam] Okay, I am sure there will be a million questions next week!
And that is fine. We want to get this right for the following week!
[Mambo Sam] And remember, since we are using the three kings picture as a
representation, you can use a kingcake as an offering. If you don’t know
what that is, look it up on the internet! :-D  And order one!
[Candelaria] DAMN! I’ll have to order yet another delicious King Cake!
[simonegreenewpp] from?
[Mambo Sam] Randazzo’s or Gambino’s.
[Candelaria] Randazzos
[REDANGEL] do they freeze well??
[Mambo Sam] Yes.
[REDANGEL] thanx
[Mambo Sam] It’s like a coffee cake.
[Candelaria] BUT BETTER
[Mambo Sam] I like Randazzo’s, but Gambino’s is great. Two great new
Orleans *** families! :-D  No just kidding... really..
[Candelaria] :-D
[Mambo Sam] Yikes — take that out, Simone!
[Candelaria] Sure you are... (sticking my index finger beside my nose)
[simonegreenewpp] Those are probably my relatives...
[Mambo Sam] Honestly, you can find the name Gambino in the Kennedy
investigation books. That’s them.  :-D But they make a kick arse cake.
[Candelaria] Yep, the Gambino family. Look it up. heehee

[Mambo Sam] Okay kids...
[vodoukat02] I have to say good nite
[simonegreenewpp] Don’t swallow the baby!
[Mambo Sam] I have to run. :-)
[Mambo Sam] Love you all!!!!!
[Candelaria] Walk, please!
[Mambo Sam] Good night.
[PATRICKinCALI] Good Night to my “other” Mother and family!
[vodoukat02] :-D
[heavenbls5] Love you all and thanks a lot
[Mambo Sam] :-)
[ouanga_bottle] Love you Mambo Sam! And everyone else!
[REDANGEL] Night all
[Candelaria] Night everyone! Candi has to get to the drug store before it
closes. :-)
[simonegreenewpp] Wow, they’re clearing out in a hurry! All on their way
to the King Cake website
[Candelaria] Yep.... Good stuff. I already ate one. :-D
[simonegreenewpp] A baby?
[simonegreenewpp] Ok, good night! Love ya!
[Candelaria] Got it... guess that means I buy the next one... next week. :-D
[Candelaria] OK, sorry everyone, but I’m going to have to ask that we wrap
it up tonight. Simone and I have to get going.